This is, incidentally, why several years ago I finally tipped from Agnostic to straight-up Atheist, mind you: Agnosticism is silly. The idea:
- There is an invisible, unproven and intangible deity that invented the universe.
...Is just as silly as these other ideas.
Then, and please understand this is acting as the... er... devil's advocate... are you saying that the universe simply always was? That it had no logical beginning?
Not the big bang, by the way. Something had to exist before the big bang.
Where did it come from?
Do you know? Does anyone?
Can anyone?
You don't believe there is an invisible, unproven and intangible deity that invented the universe. I accept that. But are you right? Then where the fuck did it come from? What's the start point, and how did it get to that start point in the first place?
Is it silly to say an intelligent force was involved? I don't know. It makes about as much sense (though not more sense) as saying it all happened purely spontaneously, from nothing, with no initial cause.
If your position is "there was no intelligent force involved," then you're an atheist, it seems to me. If your position is "I don't know what was involved," you're an agnostic.
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Date: 2007-12-03 07:11 pm (UTC)Then, and please understand this is acting as the... er... devil's advocate... are you saying that the universe simply always was? That it had no logical beginning?
Not the big bang, by the way. Something had to exist before the big bang.
Where did it come from?
Do you know? Does anyone?
Can anyone?
You don't believe there is an invisible, unproven and intangible deity that invented the universe. I accept that. But are you right? Then where the fuck did it come from? What's the start point, and how did it get to that start point in the first place?
Is it silly to say an intelligent force was involved? I don't know. It makes about as much sense (though not more sense) as saying it all happened purely spontaneously, from nothing, with no initial cause.
If your position is "there was no intelligent force involved," then you're an atheist, it seems to me. If your position is "I don't know what was involved," you're an agnostic.