Someone gets the reaction we should have to South Dakota. So I'll let them speak.

[demiurgent]

This sounds about right to me.

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[edg.livejournal.com]

Ah, timing: we're reading Lysistrata in class this week.

[bugalight.livejournal.com]

Oh man, that's an awesome play. Read it in Political Theory last semester. Good stuff. ^^

[thenintengenius.livejournal.com]

Ah yes, that play. I should've kept that one when I was doing the book sellback at college, it was great.

[darthparadox.livejournal.com]

Patriarchal fuckheads. They really do deserve the Lysistrata treatment.

I can understand how one can think abortions are immoral. I mean, the issue of whether a fetus's life is worth as much as any other human's is not one with a clear-cut answer. It's, in my opinion, the "fuzziest" moral question in today's society. But the hypocrisy of disallowing abortions and simultaneously disallowing contraception is disgusting. She's right - it's not about a "culture of life", it's not about a fetus' right to live. It's about control.

Thanks for linking this, Eric. Reposting.

[ardaniel]

...except that, when I read this post, she states very clearly that her thesis is not at all about abortion.

It seems like people are willing to ignore that to read into it, though.

[darthparadox.livejournal.com]

Try again. It's not that her thesis isn't about abortion. Her thesis pertains to abortion, in that the battle the conservative fundamentalist Christian movement is fighting is not just about abortion, but rather about control. Which is pretty much what I stated. Believing abortion to be immoral is one thing, and using that claim to attempt to exert control over other aspects of people's personal life (i.e. whether to attempt to prevent conception in the first place) is something else entirely.

Please don't accuse me of willful ignorance. I find it rather insulting.

[not-croaker.livejournal.com]

Y'know.

Isn't that EXACTLY the message conservative Christians have been selling for the last few hundred years?

If you don't want to be pregnant... DON'T HAVE SEX.

Gee. Who'da thunk it?

[z-gryphon.livejournal.com]

You're right, the message needs to be clarified in order to differentiate it from the conservative-Christian full-abstinence party line.

If you don't want to be pregnant... DON'T HAVE SEX WITH A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN.

There.

[demiurgent.livejournal.com]

There is a qualitative difference between "don't have sex" and "don't let the men have sex."

[dvandom.livejournal.com]

Bringing us full circle to Weds and Amber.

[ardaniel]

There's a qualitative difference between "letting the men have sex" and "being unable, for myriad reasons, to effectively mount a defense against a man seeking rape." The bigger problem in South Dakota at the moment is the latter, IMO, because some people are evil shits, and this law allows their victims no recourse (save leaving the state to seek services, which may not always be financially/ physically possible) against the additional psychological violation of bearing a rapist or a relative's child.

[dagbrown.livejournal.com]

And let's face it, odds are the relative is also the rapist.

[5eh.livejournal.com]

Wait, so everyone goes gay???

sweet.

[larksilver.livejournal.com]

She's right. It's not about abortion. It's about control; people who don't really carry the load of a child making the decisions about the people who do carry the load. They probably also "lay down the law" at home about how their children are disciplined, even though they aren't the ones doling it out, but that's another rant.

I have always been puzzled by this. Birth control is not immoral, nor is it a license to go out and sleep with anything that moves. It is about freedom; the freedom for a young woman to finish school before having kids. The freedom to not bring a baby into a household that can't handle another mouth, whether that be a financial issue or an emotional one.

It's been my experience that many times, the same thinking that says that birth control is Bad says that girls shouldn't really receive the benefits of an equal education. "After all, she's just going to go get knocked up and waste it all," right?

grr. grr!

Oh - and I love her idea, but it'll never happen. Too many women out there are trained practically from birth to "keep their man happy" for them to start saying "no" now, en masse. Unfortunately.

[pat-myers.livejournal.com]

But if none of these guys get sex from women, they're just gonna turn to each other, and in a few years, conservative journals will have weekly health alerts about the latest venereal diseases going around the community.

Because remember, they don't believe in contraception. (Unless they're hypocrites.)

[pat-myers.livejournal.com]

Sorry if that seems very un-PC. I get annoyed at how the editor of the local gay newspaper assumes that all gay men are naturally aquainted with crystal meth and circuit parties, so that is why I assume that a conservative journal would end up with the same type of editor. And as to why I think Conservatives would be promiscuous? Eh, they look desperate.